No problem. It's a weird random part of a dog, but something that flat-coat people tend to put a lot of emphasis on. In fact not many other breed standards really mention it. Well if you ever want to know something about dogs feel free to ask, if I don't know it I can probably find it either in my many dog books or through my dog friends. Feel free to tell me stuff too, I agree with the learning new things. Who wouldn't be interested in learning about animals! They are so amazing!
wow - thanks for all the info! I understand what it is now. To be honest it's not a part of a dog I had paid much attention to - but like I said I'm fairly oblivious to everything until it's pointed out - but once it is, I notice it from then on - so now I will pay attention to it. If you want to talk about dogs feel free to educate me further. I'm always interested in learning new things - especially about animals
Well I'm certainly impressed at your bravery. See the thing is once I start I can't stop (when it comes to dogs anyway.. I just keep rambling on). Sorry about the mysterious AKC dog terms... they are hard to understand. I have a beautiful illustrated version of the standard with everything labeled (at home, 2.5 hours away, of course). When I escape from college and go back I will be sure to scan it in and show you. I'll try again, sorry my description was pretty vague. So I know this will sound weird, but if you put the finger on the tip of your nose and go up until you reach the point right between your eyes where your nose attaches to your head, you've found your "stop", the place where the nose ends -or stops if you will, and the head begins. It's the same for a dog. You'll notice on a dog like a Labrador for example that this point will be very obvious with a sharp upward line where the forehead begins. The Flatties, however, are supposed to have a smooth line that makes it hard to tell where the stop is. To tell you must view the dogs head in profile so not to confuse the raised eyebrows as an over-pronounced stop. Well I have to say I don't know what you're talking about when you say you don't notice details because this model is almost perfect! Even you head is good, it only deviates slightly from what a real Flat-coat could really have. In fact I've seen one with a "worse" head than you're model. In fact my dog, Diva, has too much of a stop, and her relative, Strider, is too cheeky, so it's not like your model is wrong in any way. Like I said before the dog you made is very well put together. Okay I should stop rambling now... Hope that made more sense...
For never seeing one you've done an amazing job! The only place I can see that could use a little work is the head (and not much at that). I wrote something about what the erfect head should look like but decided the AKC put it in better words, although they were pretty close You can read it if you want here (but dont feel like you have to): [link] (just scroll down to the Head section its pretty short, oh and to translate the stop is the part where the top of the muzzle connects to the head), but keep in mind its the standard- basic guidelines for what members of the breed should look like, not an actual dog. It all depends on the dog, so basically its hard to be wrong if you look at a reference. In comparison, yours is a bit cheeky, and has a stop that is slightly more pronounced than would be desired, but again all depends on the dog. Another thing is he has a bit of a roman nose, but even though it is technically not preferred, it is very, very common, so an accurate observation on your part. You did a good job on the eyebrows too, although the stop should be subtle the eyebrows should be slightly raised and expressive. Moving away from the head, the overall proportions are lovely. Nice level topline, moderate tuck up. Good job on the forequarters as well, the shoulders are set very nicely. If the dog were real, Id love to see him move, looks like he could do a good job at it. Even the tail set is good. Wow, that was long... sorry... that's what I get for reading the standard a few too many times, and talking too much with all the flat-coat people at shows... *sighs *... Yes Please put up the picture you did! (If I didnt scare you too much.) I would love to see it! And I promise not to write anything this long and obnoxious... I really should not do stuff like this, no wonder I scare people
nah, I'm not scared thanks for taking the time to write all of that. I read the AKC info but still don't understand what a stop is. I didn't have very good references, so I looked at at photos of other flatcoats too, but I tend to be fairly oblivious to details until they are pointed out to me - could you please try explaining what the stop is again so I can look out for it in the future?
thanks that's good coming from someone who has one - I've only seen photos, never a real one. he was the first (and only) flat coat I've made. I drew a picture of a flatcoat after I made this - I'll try to remember to upload it
Beautiful job of sculpting the dog, he looks awesome! My only bit of advice would be to add a bit of texture with a lighter shade of grey on the hairy bits just to bring out the detail. A bit of dry brushing would suite that perfectly.